[Gramps-users] Maiden name

[KimFella]

How do I make the People view display surname + maiden name in brackets?

So far I have been simply typing the surname as (e.g.) "Bell (Blenkinsopp)".

I do have a 'multiple names' name of Blenkinsopp for her, but I can't set
this as a 'Type' Married name, as 'Type' seems to apply to the person, not
to the name. Changing type for one of the multiple names for this person
changes it for all multiple names for her.

I don't want to add another column in the display if I can avoid it.

Is there something like:
IF Gender = female
IF Married=true
THEN Surname = Surname of Spouse + "("+ Surname of {Multiple Name =
Birth Name}+")"
ELSE ...just show the surname as it is.

NOT that I want to be writing code for displays. Maybe ok when I need to
generate a report. (haven't even begun to look at reports yet.)

The 'Multiple Names' doesn't seem to have 'Type's or 'Attributes'

If there is a simple way to do this, I'd also like to display the nickname,
in quotes, e.g. ... Bell (Blenkinsopp), Helen Elizabeth "Torchy" "Bette"






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[Tom Samstag]

In the person editor, you can switch to the "Names" tab to add additional names, each with a type.
This lets you record peoples' names as their birth names, but also add additional names of "Married
Name" type. These additional names can even have a date range and source citations associated with them.

Post by KimFella
How do I make the People view display surname + maiden name in brackets?
So far I have been simply typing the surname as (e.g.) "Bell (Blenkinsopp)".
I do have a 'multiple names' name of Blenkinsopp for her, but I can't set
this as a 'Type' Married name, as 'Type' seems to apply to the person, not
to the name. Changing type for one of the multiple names for this person
changes it for all multiple names for her.
I don't want to add another column in the display if I can avoid it.
IF Gender = female
IF Married=true
THEN Surname = Surname of Spouse + "("+ Surname of {Multiple Name =
Birth Name}+")"
ELSE ...just show the surname as it is.
NOT that I want to be writing code for displays. Maybe ok when I need to
generate a report. (haven't even begun to look at reports yet.)
The 'Multiple Names' doesn't seem to have 'Type's or 'Attributes'
If there is a simple way to do this, I'd also like to display the nickname,
in quotes, e.g. ... Bell (Blenkinsopp), Helen Elizabeth "Torchy" "Bette"
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[KimFella]

Post by Tom Samstag
In the person editor, you can switch to the "Names" tab to add additional
names, each with a type.
This lets you record peoples' names as their birth names, but also add
additional names of "Married
Name" type. These additional names can even have a date range and source
citations associated with them.

Post by KimFella
How do I make the People view display surname + maiden name in brackets?
So far I have been simply typing the surname as (e.g.) "Bell
(Blenkinsopp)".
I do have a 'multiple names' name of Blenkinsopp for her, but I can't set
this as a 'Type' Married name, as 'Type' seems to apply to the person, not
to the name. Changing type for one of the multiple names for this person
changes it for all multiple names for her.
I don't want to add another column in the display if I can avoid it.
IF Gender = female
IF Married=true
THEN Surname = Surname of Spouse + "("+ Surname of {Multiple Name =
Birth Name}+")"
ELSE ...just show the surname as it is.
NOT that I want to be writing code for displays. Maybe ok when I need to
generate a report. (haven't even begun to look at reports yet.)
The 'Multiple Names' doesn't seem to have 'Type's or 'Attributes'
If there is a simple way to do this, I'd also like to display the nickname,
in quotes, e.g. ... Bell (Blenkinsopp), Helen Elizabeth "Torchy" "Bette"
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Thanks Tom.

Yup. Nope. Initially I didn't see the 'Names' column down at the bottom of
the screen, but on reading your reply I saw it. However even when I select
'Blenkinsopp' (which is NOT the 'preferred name) then edit the 'Type' it
still changes the Type for the preferred name. I did discover that I can
add "Maiden Name" to the list of name types. However, now both names, Bell
and Blenkinsopp, are of Type "Maiden Name"

I did see a reference to changing the format in 'Preferences' and tried
that. It was very intuitive. NOT! However, after some playing around I did
get it to display Bell (Blenkinsopp), Helen "Torchy"
But that change in preferences didn't change anyone else's display. And I
was unable to switch the 'Preferred' name button from one person's birth
name to her Maiden Name (and my added "Maiden Name" Type didn't get added to
the pick list. Apparently I have to type it in each time, or choose the
provided "Birth Name".



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[KimFella]

Oops, I meant switch preferred name button to 'Married' name.

(I tried the 'Edit' button for the above post, but got flipped to a screen
with some code on it ... no post to edit. Oh well.)

And I was unable to switch the 'Preferred' name button from one person's
birth name to her Maiden Name (and my added "Maiden Name" Type didn't get
added to the pick list. Apparently I have to type it in each time, or
choose the provided "Birth Name".

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[John Paton]

Surely in most cases Birth Name and Maiden Name are synonymous. So only
in those cases where they are NOT synonymous is there a need to
distinguish between them. The only situation I have come across is where
a girl is adopted before she is married and therefore the 'Maiden Name"
on the marriage record does not match the "Birth Name" on the Birth
Record. In such a case the term "Maiden Name" is easily replaced by
"Adopted Name" which does appear on the drop down list.

John Paton

[KimFella]

Yeah. It's just that I'm used to the term 'Maiden Name'. So not really a
problem.

But I'm also using Gramps for a fictional genealogy for a fan fiction site,
and I may need to have, e.g. "Monster Club Name" and "Loyal Order of the
Moose Name" etc. That will get tedious if I have to key it in each time.
Again, not a big deal, just a minor annoyance. Do you know if there is
somewhere/some way I can edit the table of name types directly, and just add
the ones I want?

Post by John Paton
Surely in most cases Birth Name and Maiden Name are synonymous. So only
in those cases where they are NOT synonymous is there a need to
distinguish between them. The only situation I have come across is where
a girl is adopted before she is married and therefore the 'Maiden Name"
on the marriage record does not match the "Birth Name" on the Birth
Record. In such a case the term "Maiden Name" is easily replaced by
"Adopted Name" which does appear on the drop down list.
John Paton

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[John Paton]

This is how it works for me.

Open the person in the person editor.

Click the Names tab.

Right click on the name you wish to have as the preferred name and
select "Set as Default Name" from the menu. The name you have set as
default and the present Preferred Name will change places and as far as
I can see you can do this as often as you like.

John Paton

[KimFella]

Thank you John. Right-click. I don't have GRAMPS running right now but I'll
have to try this later today.

Do you know if there is anyway around having the Name Type changing for all
names when you change it for one? So Helen (Blenkinsopp) Bell can have one
Married Name and one Birth Name (or Maiden Name ) instead of two of only
one Type? Hmmm. I wonder if this another /right/-click thing.

Post by John Paton
This is how it works for me.
Open the person in the person editor.
Click the Names tab.
Right click on the name you wish to have as the preferred name and
select "Set as Default Name" from the menu. The name you have set as
default and the present Preferred Name will change places and as far as
I can see you can do this as often as you like.
John Paton
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[KimFella]

OK I think I see what is happening: The top half of the screen is the
preferred name. The bottom half, with the multiple names, DOES show
different Types for the two names.

Thanks. The right-click trick does it.

Now that I have
Primary[sur] (NotPatronymic), Given "Nickname"

as my Preference >Display> Name format it still doesn't show (in this case)
Vanorman (Beattie), Delilah
(and she doesn't have a nickname)

OK now I see. Some how for Helen Bell, where the display shows what I want,
I've got too many names. In the Multiple Surnames I have one for Bell and
one for Blenkinsopp, but in the Names list in the bottom portion I have
"Bell (Blenkinsopp)", i.e. the maiden name and the brackets keyed in, and
THAT is what is displaying, not the '(NotPatronymic)' part of the display
preference. Aarg! Just when I thought I was getting somewhere. Plus
somewhere I did see that that is not what the Multiple Surnames part is for.
That is for surnames that are made up of components, such as "Juan Pedro
Pablo de la Mar" and "John Jacob Jingleheimer Schmidt". Fortunately it is
still a small database so it shouldn't be too onerous to go back and correct
the Multiple Names part.

I guess I still need to work on the Preferences to see what I need to
replace the NotPatronymic part.

Post by John Paton
This is how it works for me.
Open the person in the person editor.
Click the Names tab.
Right click on the name you wish to have as the preferred name and
select "Set as Default Name" from the menu. The name you have set as
default and the present Preferred Name will change places and as far as
I can see you can do this as often as you like.
John Paton
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[KimFella]

Post by KimFella
IF Gender = female
IF Married=true
THEN Surname = Surname of Spouse + "("+ Surname of {Multiple Name =
Birth Name}+")"
ELSE ...just show the surname as it is.
I did see a reference to changing the format in 'Preferences' and tried
that. It was very intuitive. NOT! However, after some playing around I
did get it to display Bell (Blenkinsopp), Helen "Torchy"
But that change in preferences didn't change anyone else's display. And
I was unable to switch the 'Preferred' name button from one person's
birth name to her Maiden Name (and my added "Maiden Name" Type didn't get
added to the pick list. Apparently I have to type it in each time, or
choose the provided "Birth Name".

I think the Preferences change I made is only going to work properly when
there are only the two names for a person, and it will display that way
regardless of what type the non-preferred name is, and regardless of the
person's gender. So little Jimmy Jones, who was adopted by the Smiths, and
later legally changed his name to Wilson, might show as
Wilson (Smith), (Jones), Jimmy
confusing all who see that.

The Preferences edit display name screen shows several words GRAMPS
recognizes (Surname, SURNAME, [sur], etc.) but it doesn't show anything for
Type. Is there a complete list somewhere that I can access? What is the
'Type' attribute called? Can I create a new display format something like

Surname (Type=Birth Name[sur]), Given
?

As I said above I don't really want to have write code (and learn Python to
do it), if I can edit pick lists.




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